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  WGU Master's in Elementary Education - Progress Thread
Posted by: nykorn - 03-12-2024, 12:23 AM - Forum: WGU - Western Governors University Discussion - Replies (24)

I am moving through this degree pretty fast despite not already being a teacher, paraeducator, etc so thought I would write about how I am doing here.


The WGU Master's in Elementary Education for Licensure (this license is valid for kindergarten through 8th grade) is what looks like around 20 normal courses + around 6 courses directly related to internship, classroom observation, student teaching or portfolio, totalling at 51 CPUs for the entire degree. On top of that, as additional rules for state licensure, you need to pass what is essentially a state GED test at the k-12 level, do an internship (may take 3 months to find placement, and is usually not possible to find in the summer months), get fingerprinted background checks, etc. All of this red tape means that even if you finish the actual WGU courses super fast it is almost impossible to graduate for licensure in just 1 term - especially if the schools are on summer vacation during any part of your term. 2 terms is doable by anyone however.

Why did I choose WGU? I actually contacted several schools and teacher licensing agencies, as I already had a Bachelor's degree. WGU was by far the cheapest and easiest option. Two companies had quoted me at around $20,000 to get a state license. I went to the local school district office to ask about how to get licensed in person - they refused to even glance at the resume I brought. After I submitted proof I was going to WGU though they offered me a job right away (see below!).

In the month between registration, acceptance, and term start:

  • Created and studied Anki deck made from Quizlet flashcards on each course subject. I used this addon: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1362209126
  • Got basic Complio background check (required for student teaching) through WGU.
  • Filled out as much of the info on the OSPI e-certification (state teacher license) website and other places required for student teaching as possible.
  • Applied for jobs at local school district. As I had no official WGU enrollment letter yet I attached a background check proving I did through WGU.
  • Applied for contract work managing exchange students, which requires a state license to do. The idea is to boost my CV with some form of licensed child-related work.
WGU study technique:
  • Use Chrome addon to speed up videos to 2x or more. Read subtitles. (Sound + text is more effective for your brain).
  • Add unknown stuff to Anki as I read the course material. Include images. Review Anki in the bath, before bed, etc. but WGU is the priority, not Anki cards.
  • Do all reading as fast as possible. Do all assignments only after having done all the reading. Take the test only after having done all the assignments and getting caught up on Anki for that course.
  • When WGU is vague on a person, event, philosophy, etc I google for additional info.
1st Term start: March 1st 2024.
  • Course 1) March 1 - Started Foundations of Education (2 CPUs), Read 5 of 5 (5/5) reading units.
  • 2) March 2 (Sat) - Submitted 3/3 assignments. Started Educational Psychology & Human Development (4 CPUs), Read unit 1/5. This course is said to be tough for many people because it has a lot of various philosophies about learning, some of which are named similarly or counterintuitively.
  • March 3 (Sun)  - Read units 3/5.
  • March 4 - Read units 5/5. Had to order table clamp for webcam for the proctored tests so postponed the exam. Resubmitted 2/2 assignments. Foundations of Education marked as complete.
  • March 5 - Submitted 2/2 assignments for Educational Psychology. Got emergency substitute teacher license & paraeducator license offer from school I applied at a few weeks before starting at WGU, they specifically mentioned WGU in their Email.
  • 3) March 6 - Started “Schools as Communities of Care” (2 CPU), read units 2/5.
  • March 7 - Read 5/5 units. Tried to register for first proctored exam, no open time slots that day.
  • March 8 - Resubmitted 1 assignment. Spent whole day trying to figure out why I was only getting error 400 messages from the proctoring service, the “ID verification” page wasn’t loading, the test page claimed my login info was wrong when it wasn't, etc. Couldn’t start test.
  • March 9 (Sat) - Submitted 5/5 assignments. Took & passed proctored Educational Psychology & Human Development test (something like 50-70 questions, it took me 15-20min). Educational Psychology marked complete. Emailed mentor asking for more courses to be approved & unlocked.
  • March 10 (Sun) - Resubmitted 1 assignment. Completed full application & passed test for the exchange student work.
  • 4) March 11 - Mentor unlocked next course in late afternoon. Started Essential Practices for Supporting Diverse Learners (3 CPU). Read 1/7 units. This course is said to be hard for many students because it contains a bunch of terminology to learn including specific court case or law names. Contains a sort of proctored assignment where you teach inside a virtual reality classroom (looks like Second Life or The Sims) with student characters played by actors who respond in real-time. However you are not graded on your teaching, instead you are just supposed to use as self-reflection and are graded on your self-reflection. Someone put up a video of it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHWKpdR8Se4
I will continue the timeline after more time passes!

From these first 10 days I learned:

  • Averaged out, 1 CPU per day is doable for me.
  • The "forgetting curve" is serious. It is easier to pass a course by going through all the reading material in 1 day than it is to spread out the reading and assignments over a week and pass it.
  • If you just have say 3 courses to do in your last term, the pricing changes from $4,000 for 6 months to a pay-per-course plan so you pay less than $4,000.
  • So far all revisions are because I missed something simple in the assignments (like it says “list 2 examples” and I forgot to list the 2nd one).
  • WGU assignment evaluators/graders work on weekends, but mentors (the ones in control of unlocking your next courses) do not.

  • I will need to study math in my free time to pass the state exams. I took my last math course in 2008 and never used it since then, so when I previewed the state exam I realized I’ve forgotten even basic math terms like “integer” and stuff like how to calculate exponents or multiply fractions with whole numbers.
  • WGU is like the university version of trade school. In normal university you learn a bunch of stuff related to the subject which doesn’t necessarily help you at work nor reflect real-life usage. All the stuff you learn at WGU (or trade school) is directly tied to what you need to know to do the job, to get the license, to understand what your coworkers are saying, or to be seen GOOD at your job. I have already seen “teacher slang” phrases WGU has taught me on TikToks by high schoolers and teachers that appear on Facebook, and law names (referred to by the short name only) on school webpages in the fine print, for example. I suppose someone fresh out of high school would already know some of these but to me it’s almost like the whole school system including the terminology for everything and every type of student, has changed since 2008.
  • If you just read the material, and make Anki cards as you go, you will easily pass. WGU makes assignments no stress. I don’t dread assignments, tests, or checking feedback to see what I need to revise.

Advice I got from WGU:

  • Sandwich longer courses in between shorter courses, as that statistically has the best results for completion speed and motivation. So your first term should look like (2 CPU) (4 CPU) (2 CPU).
  • When you get interview assignments, try to use them to interview the principal or administrative staff at the school you want an internship at. This gets your face known to the staff and they are more likely to welcome you for an internship.
  • (This info is fuzzy) When you do digital fingerprinting, which btw is appointment only and costs around $80, tell them to print out 3 copies of your fingerprints in case something goes wrong - sometimes they take your fingerprints then forget to send them where they should. You need them sent to 1) OSPI (board of education), 2) the state background check department, 3) the school you are getting the license at. While WGU itself accepts bg checks done via paper fingerprint cards, the local school I got offered a license at only accepts digital fingerprinting.
  • A Bachelor’s of Education is often treated as equal weight to a Master’s in the hiring process, and when it’s not then a Master’s has more weight. So if you already have a Bachelor’s in something else, just get the Master’s despite that it is almost impossible to get grants or scholarships for a Master’s whereas you can essentially get a Bachelor’s for free.
  • WGU is not really meant for you to get two teaching degrees unless the second degree is a more specific one (like school management for becoming a principal) which you can’t get a state endorsement for. Instead they recommend you just get one degree then get any endorsements via state tests.

General advice:
  • If you are unsure of what teaching degree to get, Early Childhood Education is in most demand in this field worldwide, and the Elementary Education Master's is one of the WGU Education degrees with the easiest admissions requirements.
  • The license itself is valid for your state plus can be used in several US states via reciprocity laws, but can also be used to teach abroad on US military bases and in IB schools or other “American/English schools” abroad which follow a US curriculum or US hiring requirements. Many countries let you easily get a local teacher’s license by just taking a few more classes plus a language proficiency test. If you want to live abroad, especially in Asia, you will typically get a higher salary than a local teaching job - plus end up eligible for US military benefits - if you take a military base job.
  • If you can get a position while still studying at WGU, a substitute teacher license is a great way to get actual teaching experience, but a paraeducator (aka teacher's assistant) license is a way to do unofficial classroom observations. You supposedly get a much better idea of how the school all works together and how each subject is taught if you do paraeducating. Note that paraeducating is usually minimum wage and only requires high school graduation to get, substitute teaching requires a degree and pays a few more dollars per hour (but, in my district, still less than a school bus driver gets paid).
I will post a continuation after another 10 days or so pass!

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  BA in Communications at TESU
Posted by: Deetzin - 03-12-2024, 12:10 AM - Forum: Degree Planning Advice - Replies (2)

Hello,

I am trying to get my degree in either communications or psych at TESU. I have seen plenty of plans for psych, but havent found any on communications. I was hoping someone could lay out a cost and time effective plan for me. I am hoping to get this degree within a year.

These are my credits so far:

ART-101 Art History and Appreciatio 2021FF2  C         3
ART-210 History of Graphic Design.. 2023SF2  A         3
ENG-101 English Composition I...... 02/15/17 TR        3  *TE
ANT-101 General Anthropology....... 2021FF1  B         3
ART-111 Basic Drawing I............ 02/15/17 TR        3  *TE
ARV-110 Computer Graphics I........ 2022FF2  A         3
ARV-252 Visual Concepts............ 05/15/17 TR        3  *TE
ARV-123 Composition and Color...... 2022FF2  C         3
ARV-210 Computer Graphics II....... 2023SF1  C         3
ARV-217 Computer Imagery........... 2022FF2  B         3
ARV-219 Multimedia Techniques...... 2023SF1  A         3
CGC-106 Typography I............... 2023SF2  C         3
CGC-110 Electronic Publishing...... 2023SF2  B         3
ART-112 Basic Drawing II........... 05/15/17 TR        3  *TE
ARV-230 Visual Arts Business Proced 2023U    A         3
ENG-238............. 2021FF1  B     3.00    3.00
SOC-101............. 2022SF1  A     3.00    3.00
ENG-102............. 2022SF1  A     3.00    3.00
PHI-101............. 2022SF1  B     3.00    3.00
SPC-209............. 2022SF2  B     3.00    3.00
HIS-102............. 2022SF2  B     3.00    3.00
PSY-201............. 2022SF2  A     3.00    3.00
PSY-212............. 2022FF1  A     3.00    3.00



If anyone has any suggestions as to which degree I would be able to obtain the fastest (other than psych or communications) with these credits, please don't hesitate to comment.

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  How to Study
Posted by: Deetzin - 03-11-2024, 10:27 PM - Forum: General Education-Related Discussion - Replies (3)

This is probably the fifth time that I am trying to go back to school to get my degree because reading these forums have convinced me that it might actually be possible. I am aiming to get my bachelors in either communications or psych. I have applied to TESU and WGU.

I am going to do my best to test out of as many courses as I can, but I was curious if you guys had any sort of study tips for me. I'm not great at testing so I'm not sure if this whole 'degree hacking' is even possible for me to do. The guy on youtube says he has some sort of magic study method to pass the exams, so I'm hoping that someone might be able to help me out and share their study tools or point me in the right direction!! I am definitely not trying to pay that guy $1,000 on top of school.


Thanks in advance everyone!!

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  Credit sufficiency for Pierpoint BOG Degree w/ AoE in IS
Posted by: DEPY - 03-11-2024, 10:10 PM - Forum: Associates Degrees Discussion - Replies (6)

Hello everyone,

I was wondering if I meet the requirements to obtain Pierpoint's BOG Degree with an AoE in Information Systems. After obtaining the degree I plan to attend WGU and enrolling in the Accelerated BSIT to MSITM program. Here is what I have so far:

Coursera through TADA:

15 - Google IT Support Professional Certificate
10 - Google UX Design Certificate
9 - Google Cybersecurity Certificate

Local community college (2008):

3 - Sociology
3 - Oral Communication

Sophia:

3 - College Algebra
3 - Critical Thinking
3- Environmental Science
2- Human Biology Lab
4 - Principles of Management
3 - Intro To Relational Databases
3 - Intro To Statistics
3 - Intro To Web Development
3 - U.S. Government
3 - Visual Communications
3 - Intro To Java Programming


Total credits = 73

I also have 3 CompTIA certs, A+, N+, and Sec+ but not sure if Pierpoint would count those. Does anyone know?

I've seen that Introduction To IT on Sophia would suffice for the AoE, but since I already have the Google IT Support Professional Certificate wouldnt that meet the requirement? Or would I still need to take that class?

If there's anything I'm missing or you think I should take on Sophia (with no touchstones) feel free to recommend.

Thanks in advance!

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  Legit UK Level 7 and Level 8 Diplomas
Posted by: armstrongsubero - 03-11-2024, 09:11 PM - Forum: Graduate School Discussion - Replies (3)

finally posting here after a few threads of being away. I'm looking for legitimate EQF Level 7 and Level 8 Diploma Programs with the aim of it being evaluated as ABD for a doctoral degree. I browsed the threads, what I gathered so far is the OfQual providers are good programs that will have the chance of being evaluated by a NACES agency as equivalent doctoral credits. 

I am considering this program:

Level 7 + Level 8 Diploma in Strategic Management and Leadership - London College of Foreign Trade (lcft.org.uk)

I saw that there are some concerns about how legit this place may be? It's in India? Will they issue a Diploma from Qualifi? I spent a few years getting acquainted with the US system and the UK system seems a bit tricky. 

What I want to know is both for myself and for future readers is can we get a list of legit places that offer Level 7 and Level 8? Sure we know about ENEB, but besides them, where are some places I am sure give legit Level 7 and Level 8 diplomas? 

Also when done I'm aware of places that do the ABD route assuming its transferred as doctoral level coursework eg. Walden PhD in Management completion. What are the cheapest routes, to get the doctor title? I'm open to NA. Maybe also ENEB style "titulo" programs for persons outside the US where it won't be a problem. My country def recognizes EQF, it fits into CARICOM NQF so I'm almost guaranteed a legit Level 7 and Level 8 will be evaluated as doctoral equivalent for employment purposes, just want the Doctor title, so NA, Titulo etc etc. I'm sure there are others like me who have no interest in academia but want this for self-actualization and professional goals. 

I think this UK Level 8 Diploma route has a lot of potential, I saw a guy listing the same Level 7 + Level 8 on Linkedin as:

LSIB London School of International Business 
Dual Master and Doctorate, Strategic Management 
Grade: L7L8-DSML-QUALIFI 280 Credits Total 

Also will my TESU degrees I finished in 2 years be a problem when applying to these programs? I'm literally looking at the signup link and just wondering if it would be worth my time vs the ASU 15 free Grad Credits and going the NA route....Thanks guys!

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  New student
Posted by: student777 - 03-11-2024, 07:41 PM - Forum: UMPI - University of Maine at Presque Isle Discussion - Replies (2)

Hello,

I wanted to join the discord if there is one. I just started the term and would like to be apart of it as questions come up/to be in the loop. I saw it mentioned before but not sure how to join. Thanks.

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  Questions regarding international admissions.
Posted by: kjhkjh2001 - 03-11-2024, 01:29 AM - Forum: UMPI - University of Maine at Presque Isle Discussion - Replies (11)

The UMPI website states that I need to provide my university transcripts but since I have a gpa of less than 1.75, I am thinking of not submitting my university transcripts. Would this be a good idea or will they somehow find out?

When is the deadline to do the Duolingo language test?

Does it cost money to transfer my sophia credits to UMPI?

Do I need to submit my high school transcripts together with my HS diploma?

Is my high school supposed to send my diploma and transcripts to WES or can I do it myself? And does it matter if it's electronic or physical copy?

Since I have a high school diploma and an IB diploma, is it ok for me to send just my High school Diploma? I am asking because the IB will cost me extra money for the evaluation and it will take longer.

Should I do WES document by document or course by course evaluation?

How long does WES usually take? The application deadline for documents is in 3 weeks. Will I be able to make it?


Also, should I pick the WES International Credential Advantage Package or is the basic enough?

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  LU to TESU or UMPI - please help!
Posted by: CharisandJon - 03-10-2024, 05:08 PM - Forum: Degree Planning Advice - Replies (17)

Your Location: Kansas, United States (moving to Connecticut in early 2025)
Your Age: 23
What kind of degree do you want?: Business Administration with Accounting concentration
Current Regional Accredited Credits:

Liberty University Total Credits: 66
ACCT 211 Financial Principles, 3, A

ACCT 212 Managerial Principles, 3, A
ACCT 401 Individual Taxation, 3, A
BUSI 390 Business Common Professional Components, 3 Pass
BUSI 201 Intermediate Business Computer Applications, 3, A
BUSI 240 Organizational Behavior I, 3, A
BUSI 230 Intro to Probability and Statistics, 3, A
ENGL 101 Composition and Rhetoric, 3, A
UNIV 104 Instruction Tech for Online Learning, 3, A
BIBL 104 Survey of Old & New Testament, 4, A
COMS 101 Speech Communication, 3, A
HIUS 221 Survey of American History I, 3, A
THEO 104 Intro to Theology Survey, 4, A
PHSC 121 Intro to Astronomy, 3, A
RLGN 104 Christian Life & Biblical Worldview, 4, A
CSTU Western Culture, 3, A
PHIL 201 Philosophy & Contemporary Idea, 3, A
CSIS 331 Networks, 3, A
CSIS 111 Intro to C++ 3, A
CSIS 345 Intro to Linux, 3, A
CSIS 320 IS Hardware and Software, 3, A
CSIS 330 Business Data Communication System, 3, A
CSIS 100 Intro to Info Science and Systems, 3, A
CSIS 110 Intro to Computing Sciences 3, A
CSIS 212 Object-Oriented Programming, 3 A
CSIS 310 Web Architecture & Development, 3, A
CSIS 312 Adv Object-Oriented Programming, 3 A

Current ACE, CLEP, or NCCRS Credits:

Sophia Total Credits: 9
Principles of Management, 3, Pass (Liberty accepted on my transcript for BUSI 310)

Principles of Microeconomics, 3, Pass (Liberty – ECON 213)
Principles of Macroeconomics, 3, Pass (Liberty – ECON 214)

Any certifications or military experience? No

 
Budget: I know UMPI, WGU, or TESU will be most likely less than Liberty, so I’m not too concerned about budget. The most important thing for me is finishing as quickly as I can.
Commitments: Fiancé and traveling monthly to take care of my mom. I’m currently in a full-time accounting internship that ends in April. There’s a chance that the internship will be extended to December, but it would be part-time after April. If the internship ends in April, then I would be doing school full-time and not working.
Dedicated time to study: I estimate 35+ hours a week if I’m not working and 20 hours a week if I am working. Several weekly doctor’s appointments, monthly travels, and my own medical issues limit the time I have to study.
Timeline: Finishing the courses required for the degree as fast as possible would be ideal. My goal is to be finished by June 2025 at the latest.
Tuition assistance/reimbursement: No

 
I’ve been doing hours of research on the forum and on the websites for several colleges. I think I’ve narrowed it down to either UMPI or TESU (I’m considering WGU, but it’s my last option as GPA is important to me), but I am open to whatever college would enable me to finish the fastest with the most transfer credits accepted. I would prefer competency-based education, but I would rather take tests than write long papers. I don’t mind writing essays, but really don’t do well with 5+ page papers (which is my biggest reservation about UMPI). The weekly deadlines at Liberty are very challenging and stressful with doctor’s appointments and traveling, and it would be nice to have more flexibility than strict weekly deadlines. I’m open to doing ACE credits at Sophia/SDC etc. It would be nice to find a program that allows for a month-long break between sessions, as I’m getting married and moving before June 2025, and I will definitely need a month off for that. Also, I'm not planning to go for my CPA, so I'm ok if the degree program is not CPA prep.
 
I’ve tried looking at different websites to see how my Liberty credits would transfer, but I end up just getting lost or confused, and I’m really not sure which college would be best for me. Also, I'm not sure if I need to submit my Sophia transcript when I do apply somewhere, or if my Liberty transcript is enough since it has the Sophia credits accepted on it. Thank you SO much for your help and recommendations!

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  TESU BACS course selection for OMSCS
Posted by: warre - 03-10-2024, 11:06 AM - Forum: Degree Planning Advice - Replies (29)

Hi,

Your Location: Belgium
Your Age: 25
What kind of degree do you want?: BACS
Current Regional Accredited Credits:

Unknown, awaiting verification from spantran

Current ACE, CLEP, or NCCRS Credits: None

Any certifications or military experience? No

Budget: As cheap as possible, I'm fine spending +/- $5k
Commitments: Full-time job, no other commitments.
Dedicated time to study: On average 4 hours per weeknight, more on the weekends so totalling around 35 hours per week I'd estimate.
Timeline: As fast as possible, ideally within 6 months.
Tuition assistance/reimbursement: My workplace does not partner with any institutions but I may be able to use some of my training budget to partly reimburse the studies, max $2k reimbursement if I can use the entire training budget.

I'm an international student and am pretty sure OMSCS will not accept my 3-year degree as being equivalent to a U.S. 4-year degree. At least according to my own government the degree sits between an associate's and an academic bachelors (which is 4-year equivalent). I'm still waiting for spantran to complete my course-by-course evaluation, so I can go on to apply to TESU to get a BACS to fulfill this 4-year degree requirement.

My previous degree is CS - Applied, meaning I didn't get any math whatsoever (I know ridiculous). I did have programming, sw architecture, OS (which included a little bit of DS&A). I know GaTech admissions likes to see accredited courses for e.g. DS&A. Hence my plan is now to do the flat-rate 16 credit term, taking:

  • MAT-2700 - Discrete Mathematics
  • COS-2410 - Data Structures
  • LIB-4950  - Liberal Arts Capstone
  • "filler" courses amounting to 7 more credits
I'm hoping to get your opinion on my degree plan, maybe someone who has taken above mentioned courses can help me assess the course load. I am pretty good at math and have done a lot of leetcoding so I guess I'd be decently prepared, but any insights are certainly welcome.

Cheers!

- warre

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  Feedback on Paris Business School
Posted by: absamer - 03-10-2024, 02:43 AM - Forum: Degree Planning Advice - Replies (5)

Hello all, I am considering the DBA program of Paris Business School here:

https://www.psbedu.paris/en/programs/executive-dba

- It is online
- Costs around 32K Euro
- Triple accredited
- 3 years in duration


My questions:

1- How good is Paris Business School in general? Are they one of the top schools in France or Europe?

2- Would it allow me to get a teaching position in the future in the US (just in case I wanted to)? or they don't recognize or give much attention for none-US doctorate there?

3- What other business schools offer same online, accreditation and price are there to compare with?


Thanks!

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